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Dhimmitude

August 8, 2010

I’ve been assured that non-Muslims living in a Muslim country are treated very well.  Based on the recent experiences of Christians in Pakistan, I find that extremely hard to believe.

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  1. muslima permalink
    August 9, 2010 12:09 am

    churches in Pakistan can blast their music etc ALL NIGHT on days/nights that are holy for them eg Christmas eve…can the mosque in Saskatoon have the adaan on loud speakers?

  2. Michele permalink*
    August 9, 2010 10:15 am

    Churches don’t blast holy music here. In fact, I don’t remember the last time that I heard even church bells. (Actually, I find it insanely difficult to believe that a church in Pakistan would EVER blast holy music for even a brief amount of time. Wouldn’t that be suicidal?)

    What is the adaan? The call to prayer? No, it can’t be on loud speakers outside of the mosque. It would bother the neighbors. Just like the neighbors can’t blast music outside of their homes. And how loud would it have to be for most Muslims in Saskatoon to even hear it?

    It’s the 21st century. Everybody can own a cheap digital watch which eliminates the need for a call to prayer. Maybe someone should just develop an iPhone app to beep when it is time for prayers.

  3. Michele permalink*
    August 9, 2010 10:19 am

    And we’re not talking about music.

    This is about people being persecuted and killed for their religion.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/news/pakistani-christians-are-under-threat-after-murder-of-two-christian-brothers-outside-court/

  4. muslima permalink
    August 10, 2010 12:49 am

    yes and no one is persecuting and killing Muslims….not in Palestine, not in Iraq and certainly not in Afghanistan

  5. muslima permalink
    August 10, 2010 2:00 am

    once again you have made a statement that you have no knowledge of…have you ever been to Pakistan…I spent my entire childhood here in fact i studied in a convent St. Joseph’s Convent School and then St. Joseph’s College for women. Not only was music blasted on holy days/nights we could also hear church bells ringing on Sundays…there was a church in front of my parent’s house and i remember spending many a restless nights because of the commotion coming from the church….on Sundays our private drive way would be blocked by people coming for the Sunday service…that is not to say the Christians are not being persecuted there…minorities everywhere are….Muslims in Kashmir for eg…but over all Christians have the same freedom of worship in fact more as the Muslims in USA and Canada.

    • Michele permalink*
      August 10, 2010 11:40 am

      Are you denying that Christians have been murdered just for being Christian in Pakistan?

      Are you denying that Mr. Aleem is on trial for his religious beliefs?

      I have to assume that you are telling the truth about church music when you were a child. However, what are things like now? Do you hear hymns now? And isn’t music coming from a church on a holy day (not broadcast out to the neighborhood) quite a bit different from a call to prayer broadcast five times a day, 365 days a year?

  6. Michele permalink*
    August 10, 2010 11:29 am

    Exactly. Muslims are not being persecuted and killed because of their religion.

    I’m glad that you understand.

  7. muslima permalink
    August 29, 2010 9:23 am

    “Do you hear hymns now?” yes i do…

    fyi: http://www.angelfire.com/in/stjosephsconvent/

  8. Michele permalink*
    August 29, 2010 12:01 pm

    Are hymns broadcast from the school out to the general area surrounding the school every day?

  9. Michele permalink*
    August 29, 2010 12:02 pm

    I’m curious. Why would you attend a convent school?

  10. muslima permalink
    August 29, 2010 7:11 pm

    every single day my dear…and the morning assembly had and still has christian prayers…Sunday was a working day then and we would hear church bells ringing and the christian girls would be excused from class to go attend mass or whatever it is you do on Sundays

    • Michele permalink*
      August 30, 2010 12:40 am

      Of course the morning assembly has Christian prayers. It’s a convent school!

  11. Michele permalink*
    August 29, 2010 7:52 pm

    I’m still confused. Do you meant that the school is a boarding school and the music is broadcast on the campus? That’s on private property.

    If you mean that the hymns are actually broadcast to the surrounding neighborhood, I would have to say that is completely wrong. Nothing should be broadcast from a building so that everyone in the surrounding neighborhood has to hear it. This would hold true for Catholic hymns, Muslim call to prayer, or a store playing Muzak.

    By the way, “My dear” is so condescending.

  12. muslima permalink
    August 30, 2010 1:27 pm

    “Are hymns broadcast from the school out to the general area surrounding the school every day?” …yes, on Sundays and holy days…and like i said even nowadays the church opp my parents’ house blasts (literally) music every Sunday and on X mas eve…nothing compared to a few minutes of adaan even if it is 5 times a day!

    btw when i said no one is persecuting and killing Muslims….not in Palestine, not in Iraq and certainly not in Afghanistan i was being sarcastic!!!

    why did you remove your comment in which you said that it was WRONG for the church to do that (and don’t give me “it is my blog!”?

    Christians on the whole enjoy a lot of religious freedom in Pakistan, but you don’t want to believe that do you?

  13. Michele permalink*
    August 30, 2010 2:38 pm

    Which comment? I didn’t remove any of my comments. My comment dated August 29, 2010 7:52 pm states that it is wrong for the church to broadcast music into the surrounding neighborhood.

    Christians are persecuted in Pakistan. You don’t want to believe that.

    http://www.persecution.org/awareness/persecuted-countries/?countrycode=4

  14. muslima permalink
    August 31, 2010 2:27 am

    yes to some extent they are and Muslims all over the world are too…do YOU want to believe that?

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